2012 Camaro Z28 confirmed via spyshots! Confirmed with 6.2L supercharged V8.

[shuck]

Originally Posted by SeanPlunk

Boy you really got me there......high five.

[shuck]

Originally Posted by SeanPlunk

Don't bother, he's an idiot and just trolling up the thread.

[IMPOSTER]

You know it's a great time for cars when people are thumbing their nose at a 500+hp stock Camaro. Not saying the car is perfect but sheesh.

[HOTCIVIC]

Originally Posted by IMPOSTER

You know it's a great time for cars when people are thumbing their nose at a 500+hp stock Camaro. Not saying the car is perfect but sheesh.

Hey - let's try to stay on topic here. This thread is about the GT500.

[IMPOSTER]

Originally Posted by HOTCIVIC

Hey - let's try to stay on topic here. This thread is about the GT500.

Awe damn. My bad.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by HOTCIVIC

Hey - let's try to stay on topic here. This thread is about the GT500.

seriously can't wait to see the specs when it is officially announced.

[TA Tom]

GT500
~550hp
~3800lb

Z28
~550 LSA CTS-V
~3900 Camaro SS (one would assume Z28 to be even heavier..)

Wonder if the interior update/re-do is going in with the introduction of the Z28?

[corrected engine code for CTS-V]

[Cobra Commander]

Originally Posted by IMPOSTER

You know it's a great time for cars when people are thumbing their nose at a 500+hp stock Camaro. Not saying the car is perfect but sheesh.

and will probably claim the title of slowest 500 hp car ever because of weight

[Morpheus]

Originally Posted by Cobra Commander

and will probably claim the title of slowest 500 hp car ever because of weight

Doubtful but keep on hatin.

[TA Tom]

Originally Posted by Morpheus

Doubtful but keep on hatin.

Certainly wont be the slowest 500hp car, since it wont be quite as heavy as the 500hp luxo sendans. However Z28 is likely to be several hundred pounds heavier than the GT500. GM going to bump up the HP for the Z28?


[removed reference to the LS8 as that it's apparently quite upsetting]

[Morpheus]

WTF is the LS8? The engine in the CTS-V and the rumored Z28 engine is the LSA.

Will they bump the horsepower? Possibly. We're still a year away from the '12s hitting the streets and it's likely that the Z28 will have a later introduction.

[Jake the SSnake]

Yeah I think he's confusing the LSA with LS8 . Unless there is some super secret new engine with parts from the LSA and LS9 just for the Camaro

[TA Tom]

some earlier reports listed an engine titled the LS8 as another variant of a SC engine that may be utilized for the Z28 so still had that engine code on the brain for some reason.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/a-detail...tor-plans.html

[Morpheus]

Originally Posted by TA Tom

some earlier reports listed an engine titled the LS8 as another variant of a SC engine that may be utilized for the Z28 so still had that engine code on the brain for some reason.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/a-detail...tor-plans.html

THis is the first I've seen or heard of it.

[speed_demon24]

I wonder if gm is going to price it around the base C6 or charge some insane amount to keep the vette their flagship car.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by speed_demon24

I wonder if gm is going to price it around the base C6 or charge some insane amount to keep the vette their flagship car.

It will be priced in line with the GT500.

[speed_demon24]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

It will be priced in line with the GT500.

Hopefully. I just find it hard to believe chevy will have a camaro with another 100hp than the vette priced similarly to it.

[Rich_S]

Interesting.

Motor Trend tested the 2011 Cadillac CTS-V Coupe and got:
12.3 @ 117.7
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...omparison.html

Motor Trend tested the 2011 GT500 and got:
12.35 @ 115.75
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...est/index.html

The CTS-V coupe weighed in at 4254, the GT500 at 3800.

If the Z28 gets the identical motor, and weighs 200 lbs less than the CTS-V coupe, this could get interesting.

[Morpheus]

Originally Posted by Rich_S

Interesting.

Motor Trend tested the 2011 Cadillac CTS-V Coupe and got:
12.3 @ 117.7
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...omparison.html

Motor Trend tested the 2011 GT500 and got:
12.35 @ 115.75
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...est/index.html

The CTS-V coupe weighed in at 4254, the GT500 at 3800.

If the Z28 gets the identical motor, and weighs 200 lbs less than the CTS-V coupe, this could get interesting.

Unpossible!

In B4, "but the LSA can't be modded to safely run 650hp with factory warranty."

[Sax1031]

Evan Smith will get 11s out of the 2011 GT500.

He went 11s in the 2010.

[speed_demon24]

Originally Posted by Rich_S

Interesting.

Motor Trend tested the 2011 Cadillac CTS-V Coupe and got:
12.3 @ 117.7
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...omparison.html

Motor Trend tested the 2011 GT500 and got:
12.35 @ 115.75
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...est/index.html

The CTS-V coupe weighed in at 4254, the GT500 at 3800.

If the Z28 gets the identical motor, and weighs 200 lbs less than the CTS-V coupe, this could get interesting.

What are stock cts-v's putting out to the wheels? I'm sure the auto is helping them hook on an unprepped surface on street tires. I'm not exactly sure what ford was thinking giving a 3700lb 500rwhp car 285 tires to try to hook on.

[Rich_S]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

Evan Smith will get 11s out of the 2011 GT500.

He went 11s in the 2010.

Sure. But what would he run in a CTSV? You need to hold the driver constant.

[Rich_S]

Originally Posted by speed_demon24

What are stock cts-v's putting out to the wheels? I'm sure the auto is helping them hook on an unprepped surface on street tires. I'm not exactly sure what ford was thinking giving a 3700lb 500rwhp car 285 tires to try to hook on.

Last years CTSV sedan with the 6M was less than 1 tenth and 1 mph slower.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by Rich_S

Sure. But what would he run in a CTSV? You need to hold the driver constant.

No doubt I would love to see him drive that thing also.

[speed_demon24]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

No doubt I would love to see him drive that thing also.

A couple people have run their 11's at the track. 12.2 and 12.3 at 117-118. Not bad for the summer. Looks like it might be a drivers race against the cts-v

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by speed_demon24

A couple people have run their 11's at the track. 12.2 and 12.3 at 117-118. Not bad for the summer. Looks like it might be a drivers race against the cts-v

Definitely a drivers race.

[TA Tom]

Originally Posted by Rich_S

Interesting.

Motor Trend tested the 2011 Cadillac CTS-V Coupe and got:
12.3 @ 117.7
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...omparison.html

Motor Trend tested the 2011 GT500 and got:
12.35 @ 115.75
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...est/index.html

The CTS-V coupe weighed in at 4254, the GT500 at 3800.

If the Z28 gets the identical motor, and weighs 200 lbs less than the CTS-V coupe, this could get interesting.

Isnt the CTS-V and GT500 rated at similar hp? how can a vehicle several hundred pounds heavier run a nearly identical time slip?

CTS-V hooking better with better tires and traction control? One can assume the Z28 is not going to have the level of sophistication (expense) put in the CTS-V. Z28's weight may be a more damning issue for it to over come.

[Mr. Blonde]

Originally Posted by TA Tom

Isnt the CTS-V and GT500 rated at similar hp? how can a vehicle several hundred pounds heavier run a nearly identical time slip?

CTS-V hooking better with better tires and traction control? One can assume the Z28 is not going to have the level of sophistication (expense) put in the CTS-V. Z28's weight may be a more damning issue for it to over come.

Traction/suspension, gearing, power curve, etc. A lot of possibilities.

[triggerjerk]

http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...lby-gt500.html

[IMPOSTER]

Originally Posted by triggerjerk

http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/2010/08/spy-photos-2012-chevrolet-camaro-z28-hangs-with-shelby-gt500.html

Both cars looking pretty mean. I'm still not feeling the dual stripes on the Shelby but aside from that:

[speed_demon24]

Driver in the gt500 sucked but here's a cts-v coupe vs gt500

+ YouTube Video

[Morpheus]

Originally Posted by speed_demon24

Driver in the gt500 sucked but here's a cts-v coupe vs gt500

Of course, it had to have been because the driver sucks!

[Sax1031]

12.6 in the GT500.

[speed_demon24]

Originally Posted by Morpheus

Of course, it had to have been because the driver sucks!

I think it's pretty obvious when the driver loses 1 1/2 car lengths on a 1-2 shift, and the gt500 had 2-3mph on it in the 1/4. Either way an auto is going to be a hell of a lot easier to launch on the street with that much power so those are probably real world results for an auto vs 6-speed.

[Rich_S]

Originally Posted by triggerjerk

http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...lby-gt500.html

It's good to see them testing it against the competition during the development phase. Way to go GM.

That having been said, it's not just about the 1/4 mile. The GT500 with the SVT package will pull 1.01G on the skidpad, has a 60-0 braking distance of 99 ft (only 3 feet more than a Corvette ZR1), and a slalom speed of 70 mph. GM needs to do more than just drop a more powerful motor into the SS and call it a day.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by Rich_S

It's good to see them testing it against the competition during the development phase. Way to go GM.

That having been said, it's not just about the 1/4 mile. The GT500 with the SVT package will pull 1.01G on the skidpad, has a 60-0 braking distance of 99 ft (only 3 feet more than a Corvette ZR1), and a slalom speed of 70 mph. GM needs to do more than just drop a more powerful motor into the SS and call it a day.

They need to give the base vette a bump.

[speed_demon24]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

They need to give the base vette a bump.

Get rid of the Z06 and give the base vette the LSA or whatever the z28 is giving. They only sold 500 Z06's last year so it's not like it will be missed.

[triggerjerk]

Assuming the Z28 weighs the same or less than the CTS-V coupe, this might be relevant:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW-qF...layer_embedded

edit: couldn't get it to embed with the yt tags fwiw

[IMPOSTER]

Originally Posted by speed_demon24

Driver in the gt500 sucked but here's a cts-v coupe vs gt500

0:26 Sweet music.

[IMPOSTER]

Originally Posted by triggerjerk

Assuming the Z28 weighs the same or less than the CTS-V coupe, this might be relevant:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW-qF...layer_embedded

edit: couldn't get it to embed with the yt tags fwiw

by speed_demon.

[Mr. Blonde]

Originally Posted by speed_demon24

I think it's pretty obvious when the driver loses 1 1/2 car lengths on a 1-2 shift, and the gt500 had 2-3mph on it in the 1/4. Either way an auto is going to be a hell of a lot easier to launch on the street with that much power so those are probably real world results for an auto vs 6-speed.

Looks to me like he lost half a car length, maybe one car length max, not 1.5 on the shift.

The Cadillac is geared much more aggressively than the GT500, and with traction permitting, the faster 0-60 time, better 1/4 mile ET but lower mph might make sense. The caddy shifts 4 times in that race to GT500's 3 times.

[triggerjerk]

Originally Posted by IMPOSTER

by speed_demon.